Coleman Hughes on Good Ideas vs Bad Ideas with Andy Norman

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This is an excerpt of my conversation with Andy Norman. In this miniclip Andy and I talk about how good and bad ideas aren’t subjective.


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Sounds a lot like Sam Harris' definition of good ideas and objective ethics.

Author — Shahrooz Shadbakht

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I'll have to listen to the whole episode because it seems like Andy Norman is using a lot of words to say very little. I wish you'd be more "combative" with your guests from time to time. You acknowledged that with Michael Schellenberger after the fact, and I think we saw it to a degree with David Hogg.

Author — Robert MacGregor

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Good Idea: Playing catch with your grandpa
Bad Idea: Playing catch WITH your grandpa

Author — Todd Starbuck

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"Someone who practices having difficult conversations can develop a much better sense of which positions are worth taking seriously and which ones aren't". As someone who constantly debates in comment sections of political YouTube videos, this quote makes me feel like doing so is not so much a waste of time. If only people on the internet weren't so hostile and more focused on getting to a clearer truth they would see the immense value of being able to converse and debate with anyone of any background, of any perspective, at any moment they want to. Just like pick-up basketball it could be like pick up discourse where strangers gather to practice and improve their skill of finding the truth through competition. I mean it's kinda like that in the brighter corners of the internet but for the most part it feels like a vicious arena for tribes to fortify their biases through rhetoric and insults.

Author — Kevin Castellanos

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talking at too high a level for this conversation to be worth much. don't give up on distinguishing good ideas from bad? just about everyone who isn't a total solipsist is already convinced of that. the comparison to chess, a zero-sum game with a rigid ruleset and a finite number of moves, is especially annoying.

Author — W.R. Winter

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Good idea: Climbing a mountain
Bad idea: Climbing a mountain lion

Author — Todd Starbuck

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"Follow the man who seeks the truth; run from the man who has found it."
I can appreciate most of the basic goals espoused here, but I tend to get a bad taste in my mouth when people start talking as if the finish line is in sight.

Author — Ryan Hurt

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*This is so dumb. Obviously an idea that achieves a desirable outcome when applied is a good idea, and one that achieves an undesirable outcome is not. The problem is that many of us desire different things based on different values, and it's not obvious whose values are best. All this stinks of intellectual elitism to me. "Let me and my clever friends make all the important decisions." - Bollocks.*

Author — Joel Harvey

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Up to “us?” Who the heck is “us?” The privileged elites, bs

Author — Sunny La

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Ideas that require force be imposed on others are likely objectively bad ideas. It may be moral to think people shouldn't go hungry, and much more moral to act to help feed such hungry people, but it is immoral if you force anyone to feed another. The only moral force is to repel force or harms being committed against others.

Author — Home Wall

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Objective normative propositions? No, I'm pretty sure the argument from absurdity effectively dispels that notion. In any case, it's not an effective account of the human mind, cf Haidt's The Righteous Mind for a discussion of nonfungible moral intuitions. Accepting Norman's argument, we go from arguing about who's right to arguing (perhaps more frequently) about who's *objectively* right. Whoopee.

Author — turbo retard

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It's true "we are to say that ideas are good or bad"

Author — Brooklyn Gaoseb

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Listening to people trying to figure things out where we've had the answers for a couple of thousand years now is depressing. Just read Genesis FFS.

Author — Dan Howard