The Consequences of the Race & IQ Discourse with Charles Murray

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This is an excerpt of my conversation with Charles Murray.

The episode is out for my members now.

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Murray is correct: If you’re going to cite group statistics to try to prove systematic racism exists, it’s perfectly valid, and even necessary, to use group statistics to refute the claim, while still arguing that we all should be treated as individuals with respect to the law. This should not be difficult to grasp.

Author — Peter Jackson

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We may not live in a reasonable world, but one thing that is clear Coleman is that you are doing your best to bring reason to it. And you are doing a damn good job. Thank you for your courage and your hard work.

Author — Janey Brown

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This point was already made below, but I don't think whites' discomfort with interracial marriage is necessarily due to beliefs about the intelligence of Black Americans. I assume many Blacks are also uncomfortable with marrying interracially, and I know personally that this is true for many Asians and Indians. Anxieties over differing cultures and worldviews is the main issue, IMHO.

Author — Alpha 80's Style

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Charles Murray has been demonized ever since his book the Bell Curve came out. It is courageous and good to speak with him about this issue in a forthright manner.

Author — bart thomassen thomassen

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Both gentlemen here are making excellent points. Coleman is right that the world is not a rational place, and that many people will handle these sorts of facts about IQ & race poorly. On the other hand, Charles is absolutely right too. Some very misguided people, as well as some quite devious people, have already set the place on fire with the Woke madness. So we need to explain why we actually don't live in a systemically racist society, and that will entail expounding on some difficult truths, unfortunately. The fire needs to be put out - and hopefully the Rubicon hasn't been passed yet.

Author — Django Untamed

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Whooo boy what a knife edge conversation. And both sides have well articulated points and both entail negative consequences for society. Good luck finding this on mainstream media.

Author — Royce Pember

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Hey Coleman, mad respect to you for having the courage to honestly and candidly interview Mr. Murray. I can say with 100% certainty that you will, unfortunately, pay social consequences for having the giant stones to do so. Well done sir, a gentleman and a scholar.

Author — Antonio Garcia

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Props for having the guts to have this discussion. I dont think humans on the whole, have the kind of maturity to react to it in a non knee-jerk reaction, though.

Author — J Mo 3212

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I fell in love with a black girl in high school. My father really liked her.Her father had a fit and made us break up.So, it doesn't matter what color you are.People are people.

Author — Darryle Denmark

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On the point of marrying, I can't say that it is indicative of an issue, in my opinion.
I'm an immigrant from South America, considered black by larger society. I'm not especially experienced (23 years old), but this is not that surprising in any other group of people.

I have met all kinds of people in my short life, black Americans, various Caribbean islanders, South Koreans, Japanese, Indian, Iranian, Egyptian, United Emirates, white Americans, white Canadians, Germans, Italians, Spanish etc.

Every single conversation I have had with individuals both young and old, racial homogeny seems to be the rule. A lot of these people expressed their desire for their children or themselves to marry someone of their race and ethnicity (the older folks) and the younger people usually have a preference for people that look like them, though ethnicity is less important since younger people are more integrated into larger western society. With older adults in these various groups having their own prejudices of one group or the other.

Of course my account is only anecdotal, but my point is even among minorities the same sentiment is reflected and in the older population I would argue its even higher than the statistic exemplified by the political parties. What would be a good number? And is it reasonable to expect it to be even lower among white Americans? Is it really a problem when many immigrant groups and minorities are arguably just as racially prejudiced to others or sometimes even more so than white America?

One thing I was surprised about when I first came to America was how appalled the general populace is at instances of white prejudice, it's almost superstitious. While in the same vein I have witnessed many different non-white groups say derogatory things about blacks, Jews, different hispanic cultures, Koreans, Indians, Philippinos etc. And it's often just as heinous and sometimes even more derogatory. The point being everyone does this, but the majority of people regardless of their racial/ethnic background are generally minimal in their prejudice especially the younger people.

I do not think there is any reasonable way around this, I agree with Charles, treating people as individuals is the best and only way.

Author — Ahmar Camacho

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Far more interesting than IQ differences among groups is average personality differences (and the heritability of said differences). Hopefully more research comes out on impulsivity, sociopathy, excitability, etc.

Author — John Grey

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Thanks Coleman for having the courage to do this interview despite cancel culture. I hope the blow back isn't too bad.

Author — aruinyoko

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Glen loury just had a great conversation with murray as well.

Author — Johnny York

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Two of my favourite people (a few missing lol). What a great conversation, and I fully agree. If we don't go back to the value of individuality, forcing racial and gender equity while ignoring root causes of disparate group outcome will spell the end of America.

Author — Jessica MacDonald

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Great video Coleman! This is the first of your videos I've seen and I am very intrigued. I have subscribed. I read "The Bell Curve" soon after it's publication in 1994 and since that time have contemplated the damage we have done, and continue to do to our society, by embracing the societal taboo of not acknowledging, discussing, or incorporating the science of IQ in public policy. Nothing we have done since President Johnson's "Great Society" of the '60's has worked, primarily because we have NOT acknowledged the body of scientific knowledge on IQ. Today's idiotic and insane "woke" and BLM cultures have done nothing but make matters worse in terms of finding a solution to the problem of poverty in the world.

Author — Ron W

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An important discussion. Thanks for this, Coleman.

Author — ROOKIE

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The tragedy is the "so what you're saying is...." meme is actually quite representative of the way that a lot of people mis-process thoughts. Read the comments on twitter or here on youtube and you get exposed to the way some people respond to rational thought. There are a lot of people who can't be counted on to come to rational conclusions.

Author — derosa1989

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Our inability as a culture to accept these simple, hard truths has resulted in a large push for CRT.

Author — snakyjake9

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Coleman: knowing there are young public intellectuals such as yourself taking these cogent, wise, and fundamentally decent positions gives me hope for the future of our country.
Happy 4th

Author — M O

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Thank you Colman, for continuing to be a voice of reason and commented sense.

Author — Patrick R.